Monday, May 11, 2009

Creationists why do you think it is that virtually the entire scientific community accepts evolution theory?

keeping in mind that most surveys show scientists are as likely to believe in God as anyone else?

Creationists why do you think it is that virtually the entire scientific community accepts evolution theory?
Why?......I'll tell you WHY........Blame it all on Satan. God is all powerful. Yet He allows Satan to carry out his deceitful and destructive activities—within certain limits—for a purpose. God allows mankind to learn—partly by firsthand experience—that the only way of life that will work is the way of life He reveals in His Word, the Bible. That lesson will not be complete until all of humanity has learned that "every word" of God's revealed instructions is vital to our physical, mental and spiritual well-being (Matthew 4:4; Deuteronomy 5:29). No alternative way of life achieves God's purpose or ultimately leads us to happiness.





But how can God get this point across to people who are born into the world with no knowledge or understanding? He could have preprogrammed us to behave only according to harmless predetermined instincts. But then we would be mere automatons, having no choices, no individuality, no character.





Such existence is not what God intends for us. He has created us to become members of His own family —His sons and daughters (2 Corinthians 6:18)—able to carry great responsibilities within His family.





At the beginning of human existence God stated His purpose for us: "Then God said, 'Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.' So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them" (Genesis 1:26-27).





God created mankind to be like Him, to rule—have dominion—over His creation. To learn to properly exercise such a level of responsibility, man must first learn how to discern right from wrong, good from bad and the wise from the foolish. Learning real wisdom involves learning how to make wise choices. From the beginning God pointed out the right way, but He allowed humans to be exposed to and make foolish choices.





God allowed Satan, the epitome of evil, to enter the Garden of Eden and discuss his view of life with Adam and Eve. They then had to make a choice. They chose to follow Satan rather than God. Satan's tragic delusion of mankind has been the result. Through hundreds of corrupt religions he has convinced billions of people to worship the sun, moon and stars, animals, nature, deceased ancestors, imaginary gods and goddesses and a bewildering variety of other things—or nothing at all. Even among the many varieties of traditional Christianity we find people divided and bickering over who and what God is, His purpose for us, what He wants us to do and how we should live. The devil has done an effective job of confusing people as to what the Bible really says. As a master of persuasion, Satan easily deceives mankind into focusing on anything but God. Through the theory of evolution, for example, he has convinced millions that God doesn't exist.





Satan doesn't care which of these groups people fall into. Whether they believe in no God at all, accept and worship a false god or are deceived into a false view of the true God and His plan for us, Satan still has them where he wants them—"alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart" (Ephesians 4:18).





Perhaps this helps us better understand what God means when He tells us that the devil "deceives the whole world" (Revelation 12:9). Paul explains that "the god of this age" has blinded those "who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them" (2 Corinthians 4:4).





In one of His parables Jesus explains that, as soon as some people hear God's truth, "the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved" (Luke 8:12). Satan will stop at nothing to keep people blinded to the fullness of God's truth. The result, as Jesus explained, is that "the gate is wide and the road is easy that leads to destruction, and there are many who take it," and "the gate is narrow and the road is hard that leads to life, and there are few who find it" (Matthew 7:13-14, NRSV). However, when Jesus Christ returns to earth, God will remove the delusion of Satan. God then will begin, on a grand scale, the process of reversing the damage Satan has done. Eventually none of the devil's influence will remain.
Reply:The entire scientific community (virtually) does not accept evolution theory if you mean by "evolution theory" the Darwinian Synthesis.





The answer to your question lies with presuppositions. If one comes to the table with the presupposition that nothing supernatural is possible, then one has to come up with something other than the Creationist claim. So we say that a blindfolded man, liquored up on a fifth of sour mash, can walk from the outskirts of Chicago to the top of the Sears Tower. He never gets hit by vehicles; he never climbs up on top of porches or parked cars and gets stuck because he cannot come down; he can only climb higher for at the top of the Sears Tower is a pot of gold and he if ever reverses ascent into descent he forfeits his claim on that gold.





Makes about as much sense as an intelligent, invisible deity creating everything from nothing.
Reply:When you say the entire scientific community - that includes a lot of scientific disciplines that have absolutely zero to do with astrophysics, astronomy , or biology - the areas of science where they know most about the universe and the study of living organisms, including their structure, functioning, evolution, distribution and inter-relationships.





There are probably thousands of scientists who study insects, flora and fauna, plastics, mechanical engineering etc who are born again christians, and why not? Their fields of expertise teaches them no more about how stars are created or what holds the universe together or evolution, than cookery does.





Of course there are many, [if you include all scientific disciplines] who don't believe in evolution, possibly even most scientists, but those in those fields that most closely know - they do believe that evolution is the most likely, and certainly more likely than creation.





I would have thought that even creationists would have realised that. I have never heard any evolutionist, or Atheist say virtually ALL scientists accept the theory of evolution. Just those whose disciplines take them to areas of science that touch on where we came from.





Your survey results are not even slightly surprising.
Reply:Evolution is a theory and not science. Science is having fool proof evidence for whatever it says, but in the case of the theory of evolution, it is accepted by a few, in order to deject God's existence. But, one day, the science will reach to the truth, when God himself reveals the truth to one of his servants, which will be scientifcally proven and until then, people who wish to do ugly and live ugly, will stick to nonsense theories, that have no base from science.
Reply:By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. Heb 11:7





don't you know all of his neighbors laughed when noah told them water was going to fall from the sky and destroy them all... don't you think they scorned and scrutinized him whenever they saw him building that 70 something year old project and colossus of a boat? i imagine he sank every penny into building it. he may have stepped into it as a pauper, but when he came back out he owned the world.





Genesis 6:8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD. These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.








therefor i say let the scientific community say as they wish, i will stay in league with the Creator's community.
Reply:Because essentially the entire scientific community DOES accept evolution?





Scientists might believe in God, but geniuses don't. 97% of MENSA members are atheists.





According to a PEW survey in 2007, 94% of Americans believe in a God. Can you give me a statistic of how many, say, research scientists believe in God?
Reply:A creationist can also believe in evolution. The two theories are not mutually exclusive, though many try to make them out to be.





I do not believe in man evolving from apes (and there has been no definitive link proven between us and them), but I do accept evolution of animals.
Reply:Only the brainwashed scientists buy that creation nonsense.








Many people learned in elementary school that a theory falls in the middle of a hierarchy of certainty--above a mere hypothesis but below a law. Scientists do not use the terms that way, however. According to the National Academy of Sciences (NAS), a scientific theory is "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses." No amount of validation changes a theory into a law, which is a descriptive generalization about nature. So when scientists talk about the theory of evolution--or the atomic theory or the theory of relativity, for that matter--they are not expressing reservations about its truth.








http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=...
Reply:Wow. What a reliable and modern way to discover fact. Take a survey. Or two. (NOT) You mean just the scientists that YOU know--of?





The "scientists" above mentioned: http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=15-a...





They admit that evolution cannot account for the ORIGIN of life, but they would rather believe that life originated from space aliens than possibly admit that God exists:





" But even if life on earth turned out to have a nonevolutionary origin (for instance, if aliens introduced the first cells billions of years ago)"





See page 3 of the referenced "scientific article".....Are my tax dollars paying for this "research?" And these guys have letters behind their names? My eight year old knows better, without a GED!!!





Here are a few scientists who do not accept the fallacy of evolution: http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/are...


Scroll down the page a little.





Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:





Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;





Act 8:22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.





And Creationism is NOT anti-science; evolution is. Here is strong scientific evidence for a young earth: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...
Reply:I don't like surveys. I have looked behind the seens on many surveys and have come to find that they are either bias or lies. If you talk to an older person, with experience in biology, you will see that these surveys that we are showen, are lies.
Reply:A question back to you... why do you think it is that all over the world people are finding there own religion? Because everyone is trying to figure out why we are here and how we got here. Deep down inside we are all looking for answers. And science is there religion, there way of finding the deeper meaning of life.
Reply:Not "virtually all" scientist believe in evolution.


http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/are...





The bible states that God created man. He was a fully formed individual. Evolution requires small steps to evolve into a man.
Reply:the word "theory" jumps out boldly here,and always leaves me doubting any one of us has a realistic clue as to how it started.


i didnt come from an ape,i just dont buy that "theory"
Reply:Plenty, if not all creationists, accept the THEORY of evolution, and no credible scientist will say they BELIEVE in evolution.
Reply:Why does the scientific community lump not just Christians but ALL creationists from ALL walks of life together and label them inogrant? How can anyone who makes such a sweeping generalization be considered even remotely intelligent?
Reply:I think you mean Young Earth Creationists. I am a Creationist who recognizes the Scientific Theory of Evolution.
Reply:They want to keep their jobs !!! If you don't believe that statement go see EXPELLED the movie !!!
Reply:I bet ID'ers will say that scientists are mad at god or are trying to be god themselves
Reply:Because they only believe in what they can experience with their senses. You know see, touch,hear. GOD is a spirit and to believe in him requires one to believe in Spiritual things.





Thats why they reject the bible. The bible is a spiritual book inspired by GOD. Since they do not believe in GOD they have made up their own theory, Why else would scientist do the following;





Yes the fossil bones are real but the finders of these fossils take the fossils and piece them togather to try and form new species or they claim some animals bones are actually descend from man.





Such examples are "Lucy"—the skeleton of a nearly 3.2-million-year-old Australopithecus afarensis. But yet Three scientists from the departments of anatomy, anthropology, and zoology at Tel Aviv University reported in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (Vol. 104, pp. 6568-72, April 17, 2007) that the jawbone of the Lucy species (Australopithecus afarensis) is a close match to a gorilla's.





The article's abstract admits that “This finding was unexpected given that chimpanzees are the closest living relatives of humans.” The scientists concluded that this pretty much discounts these australopithecines as having any role in being a modern human ancestor.








Pilthdown man fragments of a skull and Jawbone Now found to be faked. It was a lower jawbone of an orangutan combined with the skull of a fully developed, modern man.





Nebraska man made up from the tooth of a extinct pig.





- "Pithecanthropus [Java man] was not a man, but a gigantic genus allied to the Gibbons . . . ." Eugene Dubois, "On the Fossil Human Skulls Recently Discovered in Java and Pithecanthropus Erectus," Man, Vol. 37, January 1937, p. 4.





The skulls of Peking man are considered by many experts to be the remains of apes that were systematically decapitated and exploited for food by true man.





The first confirmed limb bones of Homo habilis have recently been discovered. They show that this animal clearly had apelike proportions(h) and should never have been classified as manlike (Homo).


h. Donald C. Johanson et al., "New Partial Skeleton of Homo Habilis from Olduvai Gorge, Tanzania," Nature, Vol. 327, 21 May 1987, pp. 205-209.








The fossils with dinosaur prints and human footprints inside the dinosaur prints. Of course because they do not want to acknowledge it they just say their fake or some one created them. Which shows the bias that Science has.





So considering all this evidence and that they have faked and continue to falsly classify them as evidence for evolution, no the theory of evolution is false.
Reply:1. Because them and their highscool GED's think they know more about the Earth than people with college PHD's who have spent several years studying the Earth and how it works





2. Actually scientists tend to be more atheistic, and only a minority of the really prominent scientists believe in God


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